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- [7241] 2005-04-13 18:11:06 by NilsLindenberg (unregistered user) [moves some suggestions]
- [19976] 2008-05-25 13:26:47 by NilsLindenberg (unregistered user) [replaced old discussion with link]
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>>=== Bugs vs. feature suggestions ===
Please post issues/bugs to the appropriate page:
~-General bugs/issues: WikkaBugs
~-CSS layout issues: WikkaCSS
**See also:**
~-WikkaSpamFighting for spam-related issues
~-WikkaWorkarounds for specific platforms
~-WikkaOptimization
>>{{feedback}}::c::
===Editable header/footer===
It is quite cumbersome to edit the header and footer at the moment.
Some of it has to be done in the actions files, and the menuitems in the config file. This means I can't safely allow users to edit them.
What I would like, is a system that allows easy creation of non-default headers/footers (so you can get a different menu in different parts of the site).
--OnkelJonas
~&You may find the following pages interesting: UserMenus, WikkaMenus. --NilsLindenberg
==Font action==
I didn't know where to put this, so here goes.
I've been adapting a script that uses GD to make an image of some text using a specified font. I'll post it at FontActionInfo
BTW - The work you've done - especially with CSS styling - is very, very good. Keep it up ;-)
~&We have a nice page called CodeContributions and the "Category User Contributions" (without the space) -- NilsLindenberg
The current color formatting isn't very wiki like. Altho i can see how ""{{}}"" fits with wikka formatting style, text color is something i see myself using more often than tables. so here's the suggestion...
%%^<color> text^%%
this regex syntax is lifted from a ""UseMod"" Wiki patch.
%%s/\^([a-zA-Z]{1,}|#[0-9A-Fa-f]{6}) (.*?)\^/<span style="color:$1;">$2<\/span>/%%
I am by NO means a regex expert, but it seems that this should do the deal... I'm just not sure where it would go. By using style here, you can use ''#0000ff'', ''#00f'', as well as just ''blue'' or any other html defined color name.
--MonstoBrukes
~&Please take a look at WikkaExtensibleMarkup --NilsLindenberg
~~&I looked at it. what point specifically did you intend i take from it?
~~~& JavaWoman had a proposal about a color-markup there. I think its the better place for the discussion. The recognition of markup is done in the formatter (formatters/wakka.php). I am no expert for regexps too, but wouldn't the first or catch too much? --NilsLindenberg
~&I am interested in doing something very like this as well. I would like to integrate wikka into an existing phpBB site. I don't mind if my users have to log in twice - but I **//really//** don't want them to have 2 seperate usernames/ passwords. Therefore ideally I would like the wikka to use the usertable from phpBB... Has anybody else done something like this?
-- KiltanneN
===Documentation===
Documentation on the site here seems . . . fragmented I think is the best word. Admin features are the example i'll use cuz it was my big hurdle. At this point I've only been able to find that the account created at install is THE admin, and as site owner i should give access to that account to the people that i want to admin the site. Is there more to it than this?
~&You can add usernames to the admin-list, if you don't want to share the admin-account. Specify multiple wiki names separated by commas e.g: JsnX, HendrikMans, CoolJoeAdmin in the wikka.config.php in "admin-users" (see ConfigurationOptions). Admins can see, edit and delete any page, even if they are set to private.
Searching for "Admin Features" yeilds over 100 entries. There's nothing in CategoryDocumentation detailing admin features, and the page WikkaFeatures mentions several admin features that have neither further explanation nor links.
~&Will be changed, but not today :)
On top of all this, searching ACL reveals **one page** that just mentions ACL more in passing. The page with Category instructions is also a little under informed. You'd think that after following 2 step instructions that it'd work.
~&I think you mean ACLInfo and WikiCategory? If you have questions about a documentation-page, please leave a comment about that on the page. We can only make it better if we know what is not understandable. Remember that this is a wiki :)
This page is another example. I started reading it the other night looking for something specific but by the time i finished reading it, i had about 6 different things i felt like commenting on. It's so long tho that i felt my comments would be missed so i didn't bother. Rather than piled on one after the other, after a certain age, each of these subjects should be broken off to their own page in a CategorySuggestionBox and listed here. (I mean this is a wiki and space isn't necessarily at a premium) This would make it easier to find and contribute to a specific topic. If a search produces this page as a result, the initial impression is that the search was really messed up hitting "suggestionbox" with my search terms.
Anyway... the suggestion? Organizing documentation should be THE priority. This site looks quite nice. It's a shining example of how wikka works when beat into perfect shape. But the site I installed looked and acted nothing like this...
~&Yes, we can and should organize the documentation better (and some other parts of this wiki). We will move it to a new subdomain (see DocumentationLanguageLinking) and after that we can bring it in better shape. But don't forget that this is a wiki and you have the right to participate :) --NilsLindenberg
~~&Does this mean that if I go ahead and make a "Category Suggestion Box" and split this pages into seperate doco's that it won't step on people's toes? I think this would be good and don't mind doing that bit of work - but don't want to annoy too many people [espec. seeing as I am quite the newbie here...]
-- KiltanneN
For pages to which the user has no read-access, do you think it might be feasible/interesting to send - along with the //You aren't allowed to read this page// message - a HTTP header like the following:
%%(php) header('HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden');%%
~& Oh, and maybe 404 headers for missing pages (which would help prevent SE from spidering links to non existing pages)? -- DarTar
I'm curious about the Wikka convention that numbers cannot be page names. I'd like to be able to create "date page" (e.g. 2005-02-26) for notes and journaling, so this is a feature I'd definitely suggest.
BTW, doing something along the lines of "journal/2005-02-26" or "journal_2005..." wants to create an external link.
Thx, RobertDaeley
~& Agreed, we should drop this restriction. Numbers in page names might also be useful to use Wikka as a [[Wikipedia:bliki bliki engine]], i.e. a hybrid blog/wiki software which is drawing increasing attention in the [[SocialSoftware social software]] community. Robert, take a look at this user-contributed plugin, which allows creating a calendar with single pages for days: JwCalendarWithPageCreation -- DarTar
%% RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !=/favicon.ico
===Section Editing Redux===
Instead of a full blown section editing implementation why not just implement a tag like '<WikiPage>' which inserts the contents of WikiPage (no comments) at the markers location. <WikiPage x> would insert the first x lines of the WikiPage into the current page. And/or <WikiPage Header> would pull just the section of the page which is demarked by Header and EOP or next header. Such sections can be inserted in a special color/block/font/whatever and automatically link back to the original page for editing. The goal is to provide better editing granularity and readability on pages which have lots of information density. Could also be used to mimic blog functionality. -KarmaTester
----
Right now (1.1.6.0), if a non-existant page is requested, the wiki returns status code 200, which will cause the page to be indexed by search engine spiders. It'd probably be better to return 404 (not found) or 410 (gone) or include robots exclusion meta tags in the pages that don't exist. --BarkerJr
~&Ah, maybe this is why a now non-existent page that I deleted 2 months ago is still getting 50hits or so a day from the porn/vicodin/viagra sites that linked to it (don't ask //me// why...it was a completely inoccuous page)...at least according to the referrers database table. --GmBowen
~&See RobotFriendly. --DotMG
=== //Kant-en-klaar// code blocks ===
A micro-idea before going to bed. We all know it's a bad idea to copy code blocks from the formatted version of a page.
If I want to test some freshly posted code, here's what I have to do:
~1) open a ##/raw## version of the page;
~1) scan the page for the chunk of code I want to save (this can be pretty difficult on long source pages with no syntax highlighting);
~1) open a text editor;
~1) copy the code block;
~1) paste it in the text editor;
~1) save the file.
Wouldn't it be nice to have at the end of each code block a small link pointing to a handler allowing the user to download the code block with the right name and the right extension just //with one click//?
See GrabCodeHandler for a first proposal -- DarTar
(The following was copied from a comment on ModRewrite -- JavaWoman)
//Hi, I discovered that the default .htaccess included did not work for my setup up. I needed to include ""RewriteBase"" /directory/ as well since Wikka is installed in a subdirectory. I hope this helps anyone having trouble getting Wikka to work.
-- h-67-102-97-191.mclnva23.covad.net (2005-02-11 04:49:37)//
The installer **correctly** deduces the base path for the configuration; it could conceivably also detect if it's sitting in a subdirectory, and if so, dynamically change the .htaccess file and include the correct ""RewriteBase"" statement to take care of this. --JavaWoman
I use wikka as wiki engine of [[http://diantn.free.fr my page]].
IMO, the wikka.php file is too big to be one single file. I suggest that we separate the Wakka class into new file, say Wakka.class.php
And then in the wikka.php, e.g at line where the Wakka class previously located, simply we put:
include ('Wakka.class.php');
-- DiN
~&DiN, this is a //very// good idea. I fact, the idea had crossed my mind already, but thanks for the reminder. :) Indeed, a class belongs in a file of its own. --JavaWoman
~~&Maybe a folder called classes? the handlers/page/diff has a bunch of classes inside, too. --NilsLindenberg
~~~&With my current proposed structure on WikkaCodeStructure, it would go into the library folder; classes that are shared, into library/common. I prefer a //functional// separation rather than one based on coding format. --JavaWoman
===phpMyEdit in Wikka===
I've set up a demo of [[http://www.jsnx.com/wikka-dev/SuggestionBox phpMyEdit running within Wikka]]. This would be useful for anyone wanting to directly interact with MySQL tables from a Wikka page. -- JsnX
~&I assume this is meant for admins only but ... Could you add some explanation? I looked but don't have a clue how to use it. What are the radio buttons for, for instance? What's the "V" button at the top? The UI is very confusing. --JavaWoman
~~& Jsnx, that's interesting. I think the idea is worth consideration. I have used phpMyEdit as an interface to allow my users to store their profiles in the DB when I still was a MySQL newbie :) and it's true that it allows a number of tricky things (especially cross-reference between tables). So I think a plugin for integrating phpMyEdit within Wikka pages might be a nice extension. You probably know though that all the interface options can only be set by editing the source, or were you thinking of allowing some kind of admin access to the interface options? And be honest, are you thinking of phpMyEdit as a sort of replacement for my baby admin actions, aren't you?! In a sense this might be interesting, but it would really be unnecessary compared to what we can do by creating direct calls to the DB using core functions. Why heavily tweak an external script to do something wikka-like if we can already use something that only needs core functions? --- Moreover, when you perform operations on pages (like 'add', 'copy' or 'delete') you generally want to do something more complicated than just modify single records of the page table. Using phpMyEdit as a sort of proxy for a page admin action can lead to major inconsistencies in the page structure. --- And, JW, the "v" button is for filtering the table ;-) -- DarTar
~~~&DarTar, that's silly. The admin actions that you have developed are looking fantastic! I was never thinking of using phpMyEdit to replace your actions. I'm using phpMyEdit to interface with non-Wikka tables; I like to see the data shown from Wikka, and I also like being able to use Wikka formatting within the data. It might help if I gave an example of how I use phpMyEdit. [... I'll write an example later on ...] -- JsnX
~~~&Filtering? Well first it's not obvious, nor explained; but I just went back and tried pressing the "v" button - and I get three other mystifying buttons in return. Frankly, I don't want to use something as badly-designed as this. Shudder. DarTar, your Admin functions may need some refinement, but mystifying they are not. Let's stick with those, and build on them. Sorry, JsnX, but this doesn't get my vote. --JavaWoman
~~~~&Thanks for the comments. I expected there would be some reservations about including this in Wikka. I too have some reservations about phpMyEdit. However, with that said, I also find it to be a **very useful** tool which I will continue to use. It doesn't matter to me whether phpMyEdit is ever an official Wikka component because using it requires zero modifications to the Wikka code -- there will be no ongoing maintenance when upgrading to new Wikka versions. It's not my intention to support this, but if someone wants to use it, I'm happy to make my modified phpMyEdit version available. I'm proposing this as an official "unofficial Wikka add-on". :) -- JsnX
~&I am interested by the idea to interact with MySQL tables from a Wikka page. Would you please share the updated phpMyEdit code? --ChristianBarthelemy
~~&Yes, I plan to play around with it for a few more days, then I'll upload the code and some instructions. -- JsnX
~~~&Hi Jason, I am still interested to know more about this... --ChristianBarthelemy
~~~~&Check it out, PhpMyEdit. -- JsnX
~&Well, Jason, I do think it would help I you would explain what you are using this **for** (especially if not for Wikka administration); I'd also like to know then why you chose phpMyEdit and not another browser-based client - and why a browser-based client in the first place. I've only ever tried phpMyAdmin and found it lacking because it tends (tended) to work on single tables only. I quickly switched to "real" clients that are more powerful and allow me to build queries involving several tables if needed, so consistency can be maintained. I have a bunch of handy tools (for Windows), all free: for design, administration and maintenance. And though I do have phpMyAdmin available, I don't intend to use it. --JavaWoman
~~&My bet is that Jason's using it to fix the pages where I've (inadertently) submitted double percent signs as part of submitted code so that the history feature works properly. {grin} --GmBowen
~~~&LOL! But - "inadvertently"? Using double percent signs should be possible in code - and if not, that's a bug in Wikka, not your fault! (Not that I have a solution for that yet, though I have been thinking about that problem.) --JavaWoman
Page output to an Adobe pdf file using FPDF.
(copied from WikkaDevelopment --NilsLindenberg)
==Signature==
(copied from WikkaFaq, but perhaps better at WantedFormatters? --NilsLindenberg)
Does Wikka support automatic user signatures in pages (not comments)? I need some code so that users don't need to enter their username and time/date when they are working on a page in ThreadMode. I've searched in the docs, but I could not find anything about this, any ideas?
-- JeroenJansen (2005-01-28 11:35:43)
~& Jeroen, there is a hack for automatically adding a user's signature in WakkaWiki posted by NickK on his [[http://wakkawiki.de/NickK homepage]]. It should be easy to adapt to Wikka. -- DarTar
~~& Dartar, just saw your reply. Thanks for the hint! --JeroenJansen
== Easy way of adding links ==
MatthewLangham
== Create rewrite rules on install ==
~//copied from comment on WikkaInstallation --JavaWoman//
Since I installed wikka in a subdirectory under the domain root I needed to add the following to the .htaccess file just under """RewriteEngine on""":
""RewriteBase"" /subdirectory/
Devs, how about writing the .htaccess rules at the same time you write out the wikka.config.php file since you automatically pickup the wiki base location at that point?
-kt
-- KarmaTester (2005-01-26 06:52:07)
== Image dimensions ==
The [[AddingImages image]] action really needs the ability to specify image height and width. :) --MovieLady
==Clearing ACLs==
There should be a button on the ACL page to "Reset ACLs to Default". What this would do is delete the record for the current page from the acls table. There is a distinction between setting the ACLs to the sites default values and not having ACLs defined for a page. If the ACLs are set and the default values get changed, the page will remain at the set values. However, if no ACLs are defined, the page will always use the default values.
To help show the distinction, there should be a visual indicator on the ACL handler page which states whether the page has ACLs defined or is using the site's default values. Basically, just check for a record in the acls table for the current page, and display a message accordingly. -- JsnX
It would nice to have the registration function check to make sure there isn't another account with the same email already registered so that one person doesn't clutter up the db with multiple accounts. (Or at least the configurable option to check for only one email/one account.)
It should also then be easier (I would think) to use it to essentially ban by email address; if the registration process checked for an email in the user table, found that it was already in use and didn't let the person create a new username, one could use the wonderful ACLsWithUserGroups hack that Christian created to make a list of banned users by username. Yeah, yeah, folks who want to abuse the system could always create new email addresses on the various free sites, but that's an awful lot of work, and this would at least slow down some of it. --MovieLady
~&You know how many TestUsers my Wikka already has? *g* This should do the job (this time no config option, sorry jw :)
~&%%(php)
function ExistsEmail($email)
$count = 0;
$query = "SELECT COUNT(email)
FROM ".$this->config['table_prefix']."users
WHERE email='".mysql_real_escape_string($email)."'";
if ($r = $this->Query($query))
{
$count = mysql_result($r,0);
mysql_free_result($r);
}
return ($count > 0) ? TRUE : FALSE;
~&Place this function in wikka.php right after function UserWantsComments(). And change in actions/usersettings.php the following line: %%(php)
else if (strlen($password) < 5) $error = "Password too short.";
%% to %%(php)
else if (strlen($password) < 5) $error = "Password too short.";
else if ($this->ExistsEmail($email)) $error = "You already have a username.";
~&--NilsLindenberg
~~& LOL I can imagine. Thanks so much for this - I'll try it out this evening. --MovieLady
~& Speaking of registration control, note to self: make a configuration option to turn off new account registrations. Some sites might be private and not want people registering. Admin privilege should override this and still show the registration fields in usersettings, to save the admin from having to go into the database manually to add acounts or some other hack. -- JsnX
~~& (you saw UserRegistration by Nils? I think it, or something like it, should be standard. mike)
~~~& Doh! I somehow missed that. That's pretty much what I had in mind. Nice job, Nils! :) -- JsnX
~~~~&Thank you. About your Admin-adding-user case: that's an addition to UserAdmin, not for usersettings. --NilsLindenberg
~~~&there's also code around that uses GD & that could be built onto Nils' code that generates a "registration password" automatically and outputs it as a distorted graphic image.....the code is intended to befuddle auto spam registers & thus stop open-registration sites from being hit by spam bots that register themselves as users. Ultimately, as the bots become more sophisticated I think we'll have to use something like that or else sites like this one (with open registration) will be victimized. [[http://www.bluecopia.com/form.php Here]] and [[http://www.horobey.com/demos/codegen/ here]] are examples of what I mean (I like the simplicity of the first version in the second example). -- GmBowen
~~~~&Yes, "Captcha" is an old trick - it will keep out some bots (but not all) and it will keep many people out, too, like those who are visually handicapped (not just people who are totally blind - being colorblind may be enough to be defeated by such tricks). Add a sound equivalent? Well, there are people who are deaf **and** blind. Are we going to deny them access to our wikis? I'm not in favor of making Wikka **in**accessible when we should be working towards making it **more** accessible. --JavaWoman.
== RSS options ==
It would be wonderful to be able to choose what kind of RSS feed is created for a page. For example, ""{{rss}}""/""{{rss show="1"}}"" could show only the headlines and the update field (current setting), ""{{rss show="2"}}"" could show a blurb of the updated info, ""{{rss show="3"}}"" could show the whole update. --MovieLady
== Embed a blurb from a news page into another page? ==
==Logging-out==
== Backlinks ==
== Language file ==
I would be nice to see all phrases put into a single file. This would allow to translate the wiki in a few hours without changes every single file.
~&Look at DotMgs approach at WikkaInternationalization. But at least it should work for languages in the range of the "normal" (ascii?) code. If you are interested, you should start a page in where we can collected the hard-coded sentences (would wait for the .6 relase, anyway). --NilsLindenberg
~~&The most flexible and powerful way to support i18n is still Gettext which is supported by PHP. If we go in that direction (likely), manually creating a "language file" is needless work since Gettext does all that automatically for you. And it supports options for handling plurals and such which simple string-to-string language files cannot handle. The problem is that code needs to be written in a way to properly be able to use Gettext, so that translatable strings **do** contain whole phrases with punctuation and **do not** contain any HTML markup (actually this is true for simple laguage files as well). Currently our code is not "in shape" for i18n though, so that's the first job we'll have to tackle. --JavaWoman
== User names ==
==Finally using CVS?==
I apologize since this idea has been suggested before, and I believe the developers are working to implement it already. However, with the beta of 1.1.6.0 released, I think it would be a good time now to start using CVS. This allows for better collaboration and as each bug fix or feature is implemented, developers and testers can grab new copies and work out further bugs. In addition, this allows more outsiders to participate in the code development process and not wait as long from the transition of releases.
Also, I am willing to help with the CVS migration process if needed and help anyone who is interested in learning how to use CVS.
~&There is a cvs version of wikka at [[http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikka/ sourceforge]]. Just has to be updated --NilsLindenberg
~~&Actually, Nils, we need a lot more than "just updating" the CVS at Sourceforge. We need to integrate CVS in our development process - and develop a process for doing so. That requires a bit of planning... :) And while at least some of us have experience with source control systems, at the same time some of us **don't** have experience with CVS specifically, so a bit of study will be required before we can start planning. Help with learning how to use CVS //well// from someone who has experience with it would certainly be welcome, Mike! Thanks for the offer. --JavaWoman ''(reading manuals....)''
~~~& The "just was meant as an addition to existing ("Of course" would have been better, though :). I just wanted to point out the existing (or better non-existing ;) usage of sourceforge, in case Mike does not no. It is obviously to me that you have to integrate it into your development-process, otherwise it would not be out of date (*duck & run* ;) --NilsLindenberg
~~~~& Hi Nils. Actually, I did find Wikka's CVS repository at SF weeks ago, but I forgot to mention it in my above post. JavaWoman pretty much echoed my thoughts. We need to actively use CVS/update it constantly as changes are made. I run a project called [[http://xcomic.sourceforge.net Xcomic]] that uses Sourceforge's CVS a lot, so I have some experience with that. In addition, I recently set something up for my project that I think will be pretty cool if Wikka decides to really use CVS: a commit mailing list. Anytime someone makes a change to the CVS (modification, addition, or deletion), an automatically generated email will be sent to anyone on the suscribers list detailing the files changed and the areas changed (a diff). In any case, version 1.1.6.0-beta4 should be committed and access should be given to a few main developers. Then smaller contributors (like me) can send code changes to the main developers who subsequently commit. --MikeXstudios
~~~~~&Mike, I for one would welcome your insights in using CVS. Both DarTar and I have some ideas about how we want it set up - but no experience in doing so (in CVS). May I suggest you join our [[http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wikka-developers developers mailing list]]? For this type of thing I think that would be the best medium to discuss thoughs and methods. I like the idea of a commit mailing list. --JavaWoman
==List of special actions?==
==Allow spaces in pagetitle==
==User-defined formatting rules==
==Local links==
It would be nice if a link to the same host as the wikka install was not flagged as 'external'. I've added a 'hack' to my personal page: KickTheDonkey. Works fine here.
A "compile category" action. Right now, if I go to CategoryDocumentation I can see a list of all of the pages in this category...but it still requires a lot of snooping to find what I want. As an administrator I'd like to provide a pdf "booklet" of all of that output for users to download. To make this now would mean going to and printing each and every page (using a software tool, TO a pdf file). Ugh. An action that let me go ""{{compile category="CategoryDocumentation"}}"" to generate a single web page of all of that documentation would be quite useful because then I could just print it to a pdf file once.....then I could provide a link to the PDF file so users could download it and print it off.
==Section Editing ==
- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SectionEditing
- It makes allows you to flow and edit much quicker.
- Each topic should have a corresponding edit button. This allows your to edit each section with out breaking your flow.
- http://www.splitbrain.org/dokuwiki/wiki:section_editing
==Compatibility & Installer==
==Handling the config==
==Markup for code not to be shown==
==Online editing of mindmaps would be great==
(copied from Sourceforge.net --NilsLindenberg)
It would be great, if users should work together on mindmaps.
Maybe by downloading/ Open With FreeMind and then having a possiblity to save changes in FreeMind directly back to the online mindmap.
==how to format code to get two % characters without space together?==
I want to produce a code sample page in wikka with DOS batch code. The code syntax requires two percent characters together to markup a variable. Example: % %variable% % (without the spaces). Wikka always tries to format the text as code, even if I format the DOS code inside a code block, even if I %% marked it as code with two percent characters like this here%%
Is there a solution? I could not find a literal entity for "percent"
''You could use % which is the numerical entity reference for the percent sign: % - but *within* a code block an entity is "escaped" - a problem by itself, and so it wouldn't help. See: %%some text with %% embedded in it%%
But it should be possible to just plug in a piece of code without having to worry about which characters and strings to somehow escape - maybe the double percent isn't such a happy choice for Wiki markup of "code"; should we find a character combination that is less likely to be a syntactical meaning in an artificial language? (And how do you markup Wiki markup as **code**?) -- JavaWoman''
How about the € (euro) Symbol? Or is it to new? --NilsLindenberg
''The main problem with the € (euro) symbol is not that it's new, but that it's hard to type: most keyboards don't have the symbol. And it might occur in code as well (imagine a sample conversion routine). Wiki markup should be easy to type. So we need a symbol (or sumbol combination, maybe), that's:
~1) easy to type
~2) not likely to occur in any programming code (note "likely" - you can never completely exclude it; think of APL!)
The **exclamation mark** still seems to be "free", and although a single exclamation mark often is used for negation in programming languages (and in comments, of course) a double one isn't (just don't use rows off exclamation marks in your code comments); or else a combination of an exclamation mark with something else (that is not itself an "operator" in languages). Maybe we should do a search (Google?) to check whether **!!** or a combo is actually an operator in any language.
-- JavaWoman''
==markup of diff pages==
==showing comments==
Working on a test installation, I found the user setting "Show comments by default" did not work. Testing it here, I found it doesn't work here, either.
Haven't dug in the code yet to find where this should happen (but will).
I'm quite happy with Wikka's capabilities out of the box - good starting point! :) I'll likely stay with it - but I'll probably make some extensions... (such as an option to require confirmation of a registration before allowing edit access - validates email).
Great work! JavaWoman
It does work.... just not as might be expected. Comment preference is stored for each page as you browse the wiki. So, if you browse a few pages with comments not showing, it remembers this. Then if you update your preferences and return to the same pages, it still remembers that your previous preference was not to see comments on those pages.
Try this:
- Browse to UserSettings and check off "Show comments by default" and click "Update Settings".
- Now **close all browser windows**
- Open back up your browser and go to the same pages......
- Comments are now showing by default, right?
- JsnX
Right. I see it does work. ;) Somewhat, um, counterintuitive, though. So I guess my suggestion then becomes that when a user configuration is changed, this change should immediately be stored in the user session/cookie so it's active right from that moment (without closing the browser). That would, I think, be more in line with expected behavior. Possible? (I haven't looked at that area of the code yet.) --JavaWoman.
==Language support==
I was searching almost whole site to check what kind of languages are supported by this wiki. I was unsuccessful. Is it possible to put somewhere (main page, release note, futures section…) some information about languages they are supported?
Thanks MDD
== Problem: Scrolling in the search - field ==
It is me again! What is the function of the "Please add a note on your edit" - field? Again and again: Keep on the good work.
~& this note is shown in some lists like the RecentChanges and the page revisions. it's just a little helper to keep the wiki organized and has no effect on the page itself. use it whenever you can to drop a short abstract of what has changed, even if you have corrected some typos to let others know that no essential changes were made. it is a really useful feature --DreckFehler
~~&maybe we could have a level switch on that feature, constituting it obligatory, optional, or off... an addittion to the conf will be neccessary thought.. --GeorgePetsagourakis
== Problem: Five Line Breaks ==
== DB Export ==
==Code block formatting==
==Various suggestions==
==Other method to attach files==
==Installation problem - UTF-8?==
==Add page link & other suggestions==
==Using FPDF with Wikka==
Not so much a suggestion, more a request although it may be useful to others.
I have been using FPDF from [[http://www.fpdf.org FPDF ]] to export content from a database to pdf files.
I would like to extend my usage of FPDF to wikka by adding a hyperlink to the top of my wikka pages which would allow me to post the page tag or page id to the FPDF script for exporting the content into a pdf file.
The link would be in the form similar to
http://www.mysite.com/script.php?id=
Can anyone tell me how I can extract the page tag or page id from the wikka_pages table in order to do this.
====Moved Discussions====
~- Date- and Time-format: DateAndTimeFormat
~- For the discussion on tables in Wikka, take a look at WikkaTables.
~~&See also TableAction for a preliminary solution. --JavaWoman
~- Category Support: moved to CategorySystemOverhaul
~- Wikka Exporting/Importing: Just added a few thoughts [[WikkaFilters here]] -- DarTar
~- using a templating system: Moved to TemplateSystem --NilsLindenberg
~- I have copied the proposal for a user map form Category Users to UserMap. --NilsLindenberg
~- TOC/ Table of content: see TableofcontentsAction.
~- Spam-issues: moved to WikkaSpamFighting
~- Support for (Technorati) tags: See WikkaFolksonomy for more details
CategoryWikka
CategoryDevelopment
Feedback is welcomed and appreciated. Use the form or edit this page.
**Please help to keep this page readable: add new entries at the //top// (right below the form) and add a header!**
>>=== Bugs vs. feature suggestions ===
Please post issues/bugs to the appropriate page:
~-General bugs/issues: WikkaBugs
~-CSS layout issues: WikkaCSS
**See also:**
~-WikkaSpamFighting for spam-related issues
~-WikkaWorkarounds for specific platforms
~-WikkaOptimization
>>{{feedback}}::c::
===Editable header/footer===
It is quite cumbersome to edit the header and footer at the moment.
Some of it has to be done in the actions files, and the menuitems in the config file. This means I can't safely allow users to edit them.
What I would like, is a system that allows easy creation of non-default headers/footers (so you can get a different menu in different parts of the site).
--OnkelJonas
~&You may find the following pages interesting: UserMenus, WikkaMenus. --NilsLindenberg
==Font action==
I didn't know where to put this, so here goes.
I've been adapting a script that uses GD to make an image of some text using a specified font. I'll post it at FontActionInfo
BTW - The work you've done - especially with CSS styling - is very, very good. Keep it up ;-)
~&We have a nice page called CodeContributions and the "Category User Contributions" (without the space) -- NilsLindenberg
The current color formatting isn't very wiki like. Altho i can see how ""{{}}"" fits with wikka formatting style, text color is something i see myself using more often than tables. so here's the suggestion...
%%^<color> text^%%
this regex syntax is lifted from a ""UseMod"" Wiki patch.
%%s/\^([a-zA-Z]{1,}|#[0-9A-Fa-f]{6}) (.*?)\^/<span style="color:$1;">$2<\/span>/%%
I am by NO means a regex expert, but it seems that this should do the deal... I'm just not sure where it would go. By using style here, you can use ''#0000ff'', ''#00f'', as well as just ''blue'' or any other html defined color name.
--MonstoBrukes
~&Please take a look at WikkaExtensibleMarkup --NilsLindenberg
~~&I looked at it. what point specifically did you intend i take from it?
~~~& JavaWoman had a proposal about a color-markup there. I think its the better place for the discussion. The recognition of markup is done in the formatter (formatters/wakka.php). I am no expert for regexps too, but wouldn't the first or catch too much? --NilsLindenberg
~&I am interested in doing something very like this as well. I would like to integrate wikka into an existing phpBB site. I don't mind if my users have to log in twice - but I **//really//** don't want them to have 2 seperate usernames/ passwords. Therefore ideally I would like the wikka to use the usertable from phpBB... Has anybody else done something like this?
-- KiltanneN
===Documentation===
Documentation on the site here seems . . . fragmented I think is the best word. Admin features are the example i'll use cuz it was my big hurdle. At this point I've only been able to find that the account created at install is THE admin, and as site owner i should give access to that account to the people that i want to admin the site. Is there more to it than this?
~&You can add usernames to the admin-list, if you don't want to share the admin-account. Specify multiple wiki names separated by commas e.g: JsnX, HendrikMans, CoolJoeAdmin in the wikka.config.php in "admin-users" (see ConfigurationOptions). Admins can see, edit and delete any page, even if they are set to private.
Searching for "Admin Features" yeilds over 100 entries. There's nothing in CategoryDocumentation detailing admin features, and the page WikkaFeatures mentions several admin features that have neither further explanation nor links.
~&Will be changed, but not today :)
On top of all this, searching ACL reveals **one page** that just mentions ACL more in passing. The page with Category instructions is also a little under informed. You'd think that after following 2 step instructions that it'd work.
~&I think you mean ACLInfo and WikiCategory? If you have questions about a documentation-page, please leave a comment about that on the page. We can only make it better if we know what is not understandable. Remember that this is a wiki :)
This page is another example. I started reading it the other night looking for something specific but by the time i finished reading it, i had about 6 different things i felt like commenting on. It's so long tho that i felt my comments would be missed so i didn't bother. Rather than piled on one after the other, after a certain age, each of these subjects should be broken off to their own page in a CategorySuggestionBox and listed here. (I mean this is a wiki and space isn't necessarily at a premium) This would make it easier to find and contribute to a specific topic. If a search produces this page as a result, the initial impression is that the search was really messed up hitting "suggestionbox" with my search terms.
Anyway... the suggestion? Organizing documentation should be THE priority. This site looks quite nice. It's a shining example of how wikka works when beat into perfect shape. But the site I installed looked and acted nothing like this...
~&Yes, we can and should organize the documentation better (and some other parts of this wiki). We will move it to a new subdomain (see DocumentationLanguageLinking) and after that we can bring it in better shape. But don't forget that this is a wiki and you have the right to participate :) --NilsLindenberg
~~&Does this mean that if I go ahead and make a "Category Suggestion Box" and split this pages into seperate doco's that it won't step on people's toes? I think this would be good and don't mind doing that bit of work - but don't want to annoy too many people [espec. seeing as I am quite the newbie here...]
-- KiltanneN
For pages to which the user has no read-access, do you think it might be feasible/interesting to send - along with the //You aren't allowed to read this page// message - a HTTP header like the following:
%%(php) header('HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden');%%
~& Oh, and maybe 404 headers for missing pages (which would help prevent SE from spidering links to non existing pages)? -- DarTar
I'm curious about the Wikka convention that numbers cannot be page names. I'd like to be able to create "date page" (e.g. 2005-02-26) for notes and journaling, so this is a feature I'd definitely suggest.
BTW, doing something along the lines of "journal/2005-02-26" or "journal_2005..." wants to create an external link.
Thx, RobertDaeley
~& Agreed, we should drop this restriction. Numbers in page names might also be useful to use Wikka as a [[Wikipedia:bliki bliki engine]], i.e. a hybrid blog/wiki software which is drawing increasing attention in the [[SocialSoftware social software]] community. Robert, take a look at this user-contributed plugin, which allows creating a calendar with single pages for days: JwCalendarWithPageCreation -- DarTar
%% RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !=/favicon.ico
===Section Editing Redux===
Instead of a full blown section editing implementation why not just implement a tag like '<WikiPage>' which inserts the contents of WikiPage (no comments) at the markers location. <WikiPage x> would insert the first x lines of the WikiPage into the current page. And/or <WikiPage Header> would pull just the section of the page which is demarked by Header and EOP or next header. Such sections can be inserted in a special color/block/font/whatever and automatically link back to the original page for editing. The goal is to provide better editing granularity and readability on pages which have lots of information density. Could also be used to mimic blog functionality. -KarmaTester
----
Right now (1.1.6.0), if a non-existant page is requested, the wiki returns status code 200, which will cause the page to be indexed by search engine spiders. It'd probably be better to return 404 (not found) or 410 (gone) or include robots exclusion meta tags in the pages that don't exist. --BarkerJr
~&Ah, maybe this is why a now non-existent page that I deleted 2 months ago is still getting 50hits or so a day from the porn/vicodin/viagra sites that linked to it (don't ask //me// why...it was a completely inoccuous page)...at least according to the referrers database table. --GmBowen
~&See RobotFriendly. --DotMG
=== //Kant-en-klaar// code blocks ===
A micro-idea before going to bed. We all know it's a bad idea to copy code blocks from the formatted version of a page.
If I want to test some freshly posted code, here's what I have to do:
~1) open a ##/raw## version of the page;
~1) scan the page for the chunk of code I want to save (this can be pretty difficult on long source pages with no syntax highlighting);
~1) open a text editor;
~1) copy the code block;
~1) paste it in the text editor;
~1) save the file.
Wouldn't it be nice to have at the end of each code block a small link pointing to a handler allowing the user to download the code block with the right name and the right extension just //with one click//?
See GrabCodeHandler for a first proposal -- DarTar
(The following was copied from a comment on ModRewrite -- JavaWoman)
//Hi, I discovered that the default .htaccess included did not work for my setup up. I needed to include ""RewriteBase"" /directory/ as well since Wikka is installed in a subdirectory. I hope this helps anyone having trouble getting Wikka to work.
-- h-67-102-97-191.mclnva23.covad.net (2005-02-11 04:49:37)//
The installer **correctly** deduces the base path for the configuration; it could conceivably also detect if it's sitting in a subdirectory, and if so, dynamically change the .htaccess file and include the correct ""RewriteBase"" statement to take care of this. --JavaWoman
I use wikka as wiki engine of [[http://diantn.free.fr my page]].
IMO, the wikka.php file is too big to be one single file. I suggest that we separate the Wakka class into new file, say Wakka.class.php
And then in the wikka.php, e.g at line where the Wakka class previously located, simply we put:
include ('Wakka.class.php');
-- DiN
~&DiN, this is a //very// good idea. I fact, the idea had crossed my mind already, but thanks for the reminder. :) Indeed, a class belongs in a file of its own. --JavaWoman
~~&Maybe a folder called classes? the handlers/page/diff has a bunch of classes inside, too. --NilsLindenberg
~~~&With my current proposed structure on WikkaCodeStructure, it would go into the library folder; classes that are shared, into library/common. I prefer a //functional// separation rather than one based on coding format. --JavaWoman
===phpMyEdit in Wikka===
I've set up a demo of [[http://www.jsnx.com/wikka-dev/SuggestionBox phpMyEdit running within Wikka]]. This would be useful for anyone wanting to directly interact with MySQL tables from a Wikka page. -- JsnX
~&I assume this is meant for admins only but ... Could you add some explanation? I looked but don't have a clue how to use it. What are the radio buttons for, for instance? What's the "V" button at the top? The UI is very confusing. --JavaWoman
~~& Jsnx, that's interesting. I think the idea is worth consideration. I have used phpMyEdit as an interface to allow my users to store their profiles in the DB when I still was a MySQL newbie :) and it's true that it allows a number of tricky things (especially cross-reference between tables). So I think a plugin for integrating phpMyEdit within Wikka pages might be a nice extension. You probably know though that all the interface options can only be set by editing the source, or were you thinking of allowing some kind of admin access to the interface options? And be honest, are you thinking of phpMyEdit as a sort of replacement for my baby admin actions, aren't you?! In a sense this might be interesting, but it would really be unnecessary compared to what we can do by creating direct calls to the DB using core functions. Why heavily tweak an external script to do something wikka-like if we can already use something that only needs core functions? --- Moreover, when you perform operations on pages (like 'add', 'copy' or 'delete') you generally want to do something more complicated than just modify single records of the page table. Using phpMyEdit as a sort of proxy for a page admin action can lead to major inconsistencies in the page structure. --- And, JW, the "v" button is for filtering the table ;-) -- DarTar
~~~&DarTar, that's silly. The admin actions that you have developed are looking fantastic! I was never thinking of using phpMyEdit to replace your actions. I'm using phpMyEdit to interface with non-Wikka tables; I like to see the data shown from Wikka, and I also like being able to use Wikka formatting within the data. It might help if I gave an example of how I use phpMyEdit. [... I'll write an example later on ...] -- JsnX
~~~&Filtering? Well first it's not obvious, nor explained; but I just went back and tried pressing the "v" button - and I get three other mystifying buttons in return. Frankly, I don't want to use something as badly-designed as this. Shudder. DarTar, your Admin functions may need some refinement, but mystifying they are not. Let's stick with those, and build on them. Sorry, JsnX, but this doesn't get my vote. --JavaWoman
~~~~&Thanks for the comments. I expected there would be some reservations about including this in Wikka. I too have some reservations about phpMyEdit. However, with that said, I also find it to be a **very useful** tool which I will continue to use. It doesn't matter to me whether phpMyEdit is ever an official Wikka component because using it requires zero modifications to the Wikka code -- there will be no ongoing maintenance when upgrading to new Wikka versions. It's not my intention to support this, but if someone wants to use it, I'm happy to make my modified phpMyEdit version available. I'm proposing this as an official "unofficial Wikka add-on". :) -- JsnX
~&I am interested by the idea to interact with MySQL tables from a Wikka page. Would you please share the updated phpMyEdit code? --ChristianBarthelemy
~~&Yes, I plan to play around with it for a few more days, then I'll upload the code and some instructions. -- JsnX
~~~&Hi Jason, I am still interested to know more about this... --ChristianBarthelemy
~~~~&Check it out, PhpMyEdit. -- JsnX
~&Well, Jason, I do think it would help I you would explain what you are using this **for** (especially if not for Wikka administration); I'd also like to know then why you chose phpMyEdit and not another browser-based client - and why a browser-based client in the first place. I've only ever tried phpMyAdmin and found it lacking because it tends (tended) to work on single tables only. I quickly switched to "real" clients that are more powerful and allow me to build queries involving several tables if needed, so consistency can be maintained. I have a bunch of handy tools (for Windows), all free: for design, administration and maintenance. And though I do have phpMyAdmin available, I don't intend to use it. --JavaWoman
~~&My bet is that Jason's using it to fix the pages where I've (inadertently) submitted double percent signs as part of submitted code so that the history feature works properly. {grin} --GmBowen
~~~&LOL! But - "inadvertently"? Using double percent signs should be possible in code - and if not, that's a bug in Wikka, not your fault! (Not that I have a solution for that yet, though I have been thinking about that problem.) --JavaWoman
Page output to an Adobe pdf file using FPDF.
(copied from WikkaDevelopment --NilsLindenberg)
==Signature==
(copied from WikkaFaq, but perhaps better at WantedFormatters? --NilsLindenberg)
Does Wikka support automatic user signatures in pages (not comments)? I need some code so that users don't need to enter their username and time/date when they are working on a page in ThreadMode. I've searched in the docs, but I could not find anything about this, any ideas?
-- JeroenJansen (2005-01-28 11:35:43)
~& Jeroen, there is a hack for automatically adding a user's signature in WakkaWiki posted by NickK on his [[http://wakkawiki.de/NickK homepage]]. It should be easy to adapt to Wikka. -- DarTar
~~& Dartar, just saw your reply. Thanks for the hint! --JeroenJansen
== Easy way of adding links ==
MatthewLangham
== Create rewrite rules on install ==
~//copied from comment on WikkaInstallation --JavaWoman//
Since I installed wikka in a subdirectory under the domain root I needed to add the following to the .htaccess file just under """RewriteEngine on""":
""RewriteBase"" /subdirectory/
Devs, how about writing the .htaccess rules at the same time you write out the wikka.config.php file since you automatically pickup the wiki base location at that point?
-kt
-- KarmaTester (2005-01-26 06:52:07)
== Image dimensions ==
The [[AddingImages image]] action really needs the ability to specify image height and width. :) --MovieLady
==Clearing ACLs==
There should be a button on the ACL page to "Reset ACLs to Default". What this would do is delete the record for the current page from the acls table. There is a distinction between setting the ACLs to the sites default values and not having ACLs defined for a page. If the ACLs are set and the default values get changed, the page will remain at the set values. However, if no ACLs are defined, the page will always use the default values.
To help show the distinction, there should be a visual indicator on the ACL handler page which states whether the page has ACLs defined or is using the site's default values. Basically, just check for a record in the acls table for the current page, and display a message accordingly. -- JsnX
It would nice to have the registration function check to make sure there isn't another account with the same email already registered so that one person doesn't clutter up the db with multiple accounts. (Or at least the configurable option to check for only one email/one account.)
It should also then be easier (I would think) to use it to essentially ban by email address; if the registration process checked for an email in the user table, found that it was already in use and didn't let the person create a new username, one could use the wonderful ACLsWithUserGroups hack that Christian created to make a list of banned users by username. Yeah, yeah, folks who want to abuse the system could always create new email addresses on the various free sites, but that's an awful lot of work, and this would at least slow down some of it. --MovieLady
~&You know how many TestUsers my Wikka already has? *g* This should do the job (this time no config option, sorry jw :)
~&%%(php)
function ExistsEmail($email)
$count = 0;
$query = "SELECT COUNT(email)
FROM ".$this->config['table_prefix']."users
WHERE email='".mysql_real_escape_string($email)."'";
if ($r = $this->Query($query))
{
$count = mysql_result($r,0);
mysql_free_result($r);
}
return ($count > 0) ? TRUE : FALSE;
~&Place this function in wikka.php right after function UserWantsComments(). And change in actions/usersettings.php the following line: %%(php)
else if (strlen($password) < 5) $error = "Password too short.";
%% to %%(php)
else if (strlen($password) < 5) $error = "Password too short.";
else if ($this->ExistsEmail($email)) $error = "You already have a username.";
~&--NilsLindenberg
~~& LOL I can imagine. Thanks so much for this - I'll try it out this evening. --MovieLady
~& Speaking of registration control, note to self: make a configuration option to turn off new account registrations. Some sites might be private and not want people registering. Admin privilege should override this and still show the registration fields in usersettings, to save the admin from having to go into the database manually to add acounts or some other hack. -- JsnX
~~& (you saw UserRegistration by Nils? I think it, or something like it, should be standard. mike)
~~~& Doh! I somehow missed that. That's pretty much what I had in mind. Nice job, Nils! :) -- JsnX
~~~~&Thank you. About your Admin-adding-user case: that's an addition to UserAdmin, not for usersettings. --NilsLindenberg
~~~&there's also code around that uses GD & that could be built onto Nils' code that generates a "registration password" automatically and outputs it as a distorted graphic image.....the code is intended to befuddle auto spam registers & thus stop open-registration sites from being hit by spam bots that register themselves as users. Ultimately, as the bots become more sophisticated I think we'll have to use something like that or else sites like this one (with open registration) will be victimized. [[http://www.bluecopia.com/form.php Here]] and [[http://www.horobey.com/demos/codegen/ here]] are examples of what I mean (I like the simplicity of the first version in the second example). -- GmBowen
~~~~&Yes, "Captcha" is an old trick - it will keep out some bots (but not all) and it will keep many people out, too, like those who are visually handicapped (not just people who are totally blind - being colorblind may be enough to be defeated by such tricks). Add a sound equivalent? Well, there are people who are deaf **and** blind. Are we going to deny them access to our wikis? I'm not in favor of making Wikka **in**accessible when we should be working towards making it **more** accessible. --JavaWoman.
== RSS options ==
It would be wonderful to be able to choose what kind of RSS feed is created for a page. For example, ""{{rss}}""/""{{rss show="1"}}"" could show only the headlines and the update field (current setting), ""{{rss show="2"}}"" could show a blurb of the updated info, ""{{rss show="3"}}"" could show the whole update. --MovieLady
== Embed a blurb from a news page into another page? ==
==Logging-out==
== Backlinks ==
== Language file ==
I would be nice to see all phrases put into a single file. This would allow to translate the wiki in a few hours without changes every single file.
~&Look at DotMgs approach at WikkaInternationalization. But at least it should work for languages in the range of the "normal" (ascii?) code. If you are interested, you should start a page in where we can collected the hard-coded sentences (would wait for the .6 relase, anyway). --NilsLindenberg
~~&The most flexible and powerful way to support i18n is still Gettext which is supported by PHP. If we go in that direction (likely), manually creating a "language file" is needless work since Gettext does all that automatically for you. And it supports options for handling plurals and such which simple string-to-string language files cannot handle. The problem is that code needs to be written in a way to properly be able to use Gettext, so that translatable strings **do** contain whole phrases with punctuation and **do not** contain any HTML markup (actually this is true for simple laguage files as well). Currently our code is not "in shape" for i18n though, so that's the first job we'll have to tackle. --JavaWoman
== User names ==
==Finally using CVS?==
I apologize since this idea has been suggested before, and I believe the developers are working to implement it already. However, with the beta of 1.1.6.0 released, I think it would be a good time now to start using CVS. This allows for better collaboration and as each bug fix or feature is implemented, developers and testers can grab new copies and work out further bugs. In addition, this allows more outsiders to participate in the code development process and not wait as long from the transition of releases.
Also, I am willing to help with the CVS migration process if needed and help anyone who is interested in learning how to use CVS.
~&There is a cvs version of wikka at [[http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikka/ sourceforge]]. Just has to be updated --NilsLindenberg
~~&Actually, Nils, we need a lot more than "just updating" the CVS at Sourceforge. We need to integrate CVS in our development process - and develop a process for doing so. That requires a bit of planning... :) And while at least some of us have experience with source control systems, at the same time some of us **don't** have experience with CVS specifically, so a bit of study will be required before we can start planning. Help with learning how to use CVS //well// from someone who has experience with it would certainly be welcome, Mike! Thanks for the offer. --JavaWoman ''(reading manuals....)''
~~~& The "just was meant as an addition to existing ("Of course" would have been better, though :). I just wanted to point out the existing (or better non-existing ;) usage of sourceforge, in case Mike does not no. It is obviously to me that you have to integrate it into your development-process, otherwise it would not be out of date (*duck & run* ;) --NilsLindenberg
~~~~& Hi Nils. Actually, I did find Wikka's CVS repository at SF weeks ago, but I forgot to mention it in my above post. JavaWoman pretty much echoed my thoughts. We need to actively use CVS/update it constantly as changes are made. I run a project called [[http://xcomic.sourceforge.net Xcomic]] that uses Sourceforge's CVS a lot, so I have some experience with that. In addition, I recently set something up for my project that I think will be pretty cool if Wikka decides to really use CVS: a commit mailing list. Anytime someone makes a change to the CVS (modification, addition, or deletion), an automatically generated email will be sent to anyone on the suscribers list detailing the files changed and the areas changed (a diff). In any case, version 1.1.6.0-beta4 should be committed and access should be given to a few main developers. Then smaller contributors (like me) can send code changes to the main developers who subsequently commit. --MikeXstudios
~~~~~&Mike, I for one would welcome your insights in using CVS. Both DarTar and I have some ideas about how we want it set up - but no experience in doing so (in CVS). May I suggest you join our [[http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wikka-developers developers mailing list]]? For this type of thing I think that would be the best medium to discuss thoughs and methods. I like the idea of a commit mailing list. --JavaWoman
==List of special actions?==
==Allow spaces in pagetitle==
==User-defined formatting rules==
==Local links==
It would be nice if a link to the same host as the wikka install was not flagged as 'external'. I've added a 'hack' to my personal page: KickTheDonkey. Works fine here.
A "compile category" action. Right now, if I go to CategoryDocumentation I can see a list of all of the pages in this category...but it still requires a lot of snooping to find what I want. As an administrator I'd like to provide a pdf "booklet" of all of that output for users to download. To make this now would mean going to and printing each and every page (using a software tool, TO a pdf file). Ugh. An action that let me go ""{{compile category="CategoryDocumentation"}}"" to generate a single web page of all of that documentation would be quite useful because then I could just print it to a pdf file once.....then I could provide a link to the PDF file so users could download it and print it off.
==Section Editing ==
- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SectionEditing
- It makes allows you to flow and edit much quicker.
- Each topic should have a corresponding edit button. This allows your to edit each section with out breaking your flow.
- http://www.splitbrain.org/dokuwiki/wiki:section_editing
==Compatibility & Installer==
==Handling the config==
==Markup for code not to be shown==
==Online editing of mindmaps would be great==
(copied from Sourceforge.net --NilsLindenberg)
It would be great, if users should work together on mindmaps.
Maybe by downloading/ Open With FreeMind and then having a possiblity to save changes in FreeMind directly back to the online mindmap.
==how to format code to get two % characters without space together?==
I want to produce a code sample page in wikka with DOS batch code. The code syntax requires two percent characters together to markup a variable. Example: % %variable% % (without the spaces). Wikka always tries to format the text as code, even if I format the DOS code inside a code block, even if I %% marked it as code with two percent characters like this here%%
Is there a solution? I could not find a literal entity for "percent"
''You could use % which is the numerical entity reference for the percent sign: % - but *within* a code block an entity is "escaped" - a problem by itself, and so it wouldn't help. See: %%some text with %% embedded in it%%
But it should be possible to just plug in a piece of code without having to worry about which characters and strings to somehow escape - maybe the double percent isn't such a happy choice for Wiki markup of "code"; should we find a character combination that is less likely to be a syntactical meaning in an artificial language? (And how do you markup Wiki markup as **code**?) -- JavaWoman''
How about the € (euro) Symbol? Or is it to new? --NilsLindenberg
''The main problem with the € (euro) symbol is not that it's new, but that it's hard to type: most keyboards don't have the symbol. And it might occur in code as well (imagine a sample conversion routine). Wiki markup should be easy to type. So we need a symbol (or sumbol combination, maybe), that's:
~1) easy to type
~2) not likely to occur in any programming code (note "likely" - you can never completely exclude it; think of APL!)
The **exclamation mark** still seems to be "free", and although a single exclamation mark often is used for negation in programming languages (and in comments, of course) a double one isn't (just don't use rows off exclamation marks in your code comments); or else a combination of an exclamation mark with something else (that is not itself an "operator" in languages). Maybe we should do a search (Google?) to check whether **!!** or a combo is actually an operator in any language.
-- JavaWoman''
==markup of diff pages==
==showing comments==
Working on a test installation, I found the user setting "Show comments by default" did not work. Testing it here, I found it doesn't work here, either.
Haven't dug in the code yet to find where this should happen (but will).
I'm quite happy with Wikka's capabilities out of the box - good starting point! :) I'll likely stay with it - but I'll probably make some extensions... (such as an option to require confirmation of a registration before allowing edit access - validates email).
Great work! JavaWoman
It does work.... just not as might be expected. Comment preference is stored for each page as you browse the wiki. So, if you browse a few pages with comments not showing, it remembers this. Then if you update your preferences and return to the same pages, it still remembers that your previous preference was not to see comments on those pages.
Try this:
- Browse to UserSettings and check off "Show comments by default" and click "Update Settings".
- Now **close all browser windows**
- Open back up your browser and go to the same pages......
- Comments are now showing by default, right?
- JsnX
Right. I see it does work. ;) Somewhat, um, counterintuitive, though. So I guess my suggestion then becomes that when a user configuration is changed, this change should immediately be stored in the user session/cookie so it's active right from that moment (without closing the browser). That would, I think, be more in line with expected behavior. Possible? (I haven't looked at that area of the code yet.) --JavaWoman.
==Language support==
I was searching almost whole site to check what kind of languages are supported by this wiki. I was unsuccessful. Is it possible to put somewhere (main page, release note, futures section…) some information about languages they are supported?
Thanks MDD
== Problem: Scrolling in the search - field ==
It is me again! What is the function of the "Please add a note on your edit" - field? Again and again: Keep on the good work.
~& this note is shown in some lists like the RecentChanges and the page revisions. it's just a little helper to keep the wiki organized and has no effect on the page itself. use it whenever you can to drop a short abstract of what has changed, even if you have corrected some typos to let others know that no essential changes were made. it is a really useful feature --DreckFehler
~~&maybe we could have a level switch on that feature, constituting it obligatory, optional, or off... an addittion to the conf will be neccessary thought.. --GeorgePetsagourakis
== Problem: Five Line Breaks ==
== DB Export ==
==Code block formatting==
==Various suggestions==
==Other method to attach files==
==Installation problem - UTF-8?==
==Add page link & other suggestions==
==Using FPDF with Wikka==
Not so much a suggestion, more a request although it may be useful to others.
I have been using FPDF from [[http://www.fpdf.org FPDF ]] to export content from a database to pdf files.
I would like to extend my usage of FPDF to wikka by adding a hyperlink to the top of my wikka pages which would allow me to post the page tag or page id to the FPDF script for exporting the content into a pdf file.
The link would be in the form similar to
http://www.mysite.com/script.php?id=
Can anyone tell me how I can extract the page tag or page id from the wikka_pages table in order to do this.
====Moved Discussions====
~- Date- and Time-format: DateAndTimeFormat
~- For the discussion on tables in Wikka, take a look at WikkaTables.
~~&See also TableAction for a preliminary solution. --JavaWoman
~- Category Support: moved to CategorySystemOverhaul
~- Wikka Exporting/Importing: Just added a few thoughts [[WikkaFilters here]] -- DarTar
~- using a templating system: Moved to TemplateSystem --NilsLindenberg
~- I have copied the proposal for a user map form Category Users to UserMap. --NilsLindenberg
~- TOC/ Table of content: see TableofcontentsAction.
~- Spam-issues: moved to WikkaSpamFighting
~- Support for (Technorati) tags: See WikkaFolksonomy for more details
CategoryWikka
CategoryDevelopment
Deletions:
<p>Meanwhile, if you have something to report:<br/>
<strong>First</strong> check if your feature suggestion is already being discussed on this page:</p><ul>
<li>If so: check if it has a link to a tracker ID:<ul>
<li>If so: <strong>follow that link</strong> and add your comment there</li>
<li>If not: add your comment to the issue <strong>on this page</strong></li></ul></li>
<li>If not: please use the <strong><a href="http://wush.net/trac/wikka/" target="_blank">issue tracker</a></strong> to report your <strong>new</strong> feature suggestion.</li></ul>
<p>Thanks for your understanding.</p></div>""
::c::
**Issues often asked for**
~-[[CategorySystemOverhaul Categories]]
~-[[WikkaFolksonomy (Technorati) tags & related]]
~-[[WikkaInternationalization Internationalization/Localisation]]
~-[[DateAndTimeFormat Date/Time]]
~-[[WikkaFilters Wikka Exporting/Importing]], [[WikkaToPdf PDF-Export]]
~-[[WikkaOptimization Optimization]]
~-[[TableofcontentsAction Table of contents (TOC)]]
~-[[SectionEditing Section Editing]]
~-[[WikkaSpamFighting Spam (and related issues)]]
~-[[WikkaTables Tables]]
~-TemplateSystem
~-[[WikkaWorkarounds Workarounds for uncommon problems]]
**see also:**
~-UserMap
===Language support===
[[Ticket:340]]
===Highlight text searched in a page ===
[[Ticket:281]]
==Wikka markup inside tables==
[[Ticket:230]]
===Is There a way to consolidate a bunch of page updates (the actual content that is) onto one page?===
[[Ticket:259]]
===Static HTML for offline browsing===
[[Ticket:177]]
===Link en- and disabling in respect to user rights===
[[Ticket:175]]
===Edit comments displayed by user rights===
[[Ticket:180]]
===Please provide a way to add formatters, that don't get placed in '<div class = "code">'===
[[Ticket:176]]
===Note on edit, mandatory field===
[[Ticket:114]]
===Order of comments===
[[Ticket:115]]
===Own comments editing===
[[Ticket:116]]
===versioning of attachments===
[[Ticket:118]]
===Making PageIndex go faster===
[[Ticket:117]]
===Single-click restore of previous versions===
[[Ticket:119]]
===Signature===
[[Ticket:121]]
===Preview===
[[Ticket:123]]
===Generate ID in forms; allow class===
[[Ticket:21]]
===Accesskeys for the footer functions===
[[Ticket:73]]
===Exclude certain CamelCase words from formatting===
[[Ticket:191]]
===Import WikiPedia database===
[[Ticket:192]]
[[Ticket:193]]
[[Ticket:161]]
[[Ticket:190]]
===showing comments===
[[Ticket:195]]
===Local links===
[[Ticket:196]]
=== RSS options ===
[[Ticket:197]]
===wikiwyg===
[[Ticket:44]]
===Google Sitemap===
[[Ticket:210]]
===Clearing ACLs===
[[Ticket:211]]
===Online editing of mindmaps would be great===
[[Ticket:212]]
===""%%"" in code blocks: a possible workaround===
===How to format code to get two % characters without space together?===
[[Ticket:213]]
[[Ticket:258]]
===The access-key for "re-edit ===
[[Ticket:234]]
===LinkTails===
[[Ticket:35]]
===Search within the textbox===
[[Ticket:578]] (see also WikkaEdit)
[[Ticket:8]]
===Improved code for error messages in Action() method===
[[Ticket:202]]
=== Language files ===
[[Ticket:340]]
[[http://wush.net/trac/wikka/ticket/604 Ticket: 604]]
=== Create rewrite rules on install ===
[[http://wush.net/trac/wikka/ticket/604 Ticket: 604]]
=====Suggestions to be checked/migrated to the tracker=====
====making user uploaded images more useful====
have a look at my suggestion at FilesAction
=== Automatic conversion from HTML to WakkiWiki syntax ===
Does such thing exist? For a number of other Wikies, it does.
It should be nice (one could say, essential) to have this here, too.
--CsillagKristof
~&Try out http://diberri.dyndns.org/html2wiki.html (Won't work with tables yet). --NilsLindenberg
===Files Management===
//copied from FilesManagementSolution --JW//
**Link** to files, rather than upload? Would it be possible to add the functionality so that rather than store the files within the Wikki, there was an option box for 'link' as well as upload. This would be useful on internal wikki deployments where you want to avoid file duplication by allowing users to point at the file to create a link to that file on a separate internal server. - RogerD
===Automatic summary===
//copied from [[http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1150914&group_id=118997&atid=682795 Sourceforge]] --NilsLindenberg//
Is it possible to display through an action a little summary of the categories and sub categories available from the page we are in ?
===Improving Wikka===
A nice list of suggestions can be found at: [[http://smackaroo.net/by-blood-and-bone/MyNextWiki By Blood and bone]].
===Login using retrieved password===
The password retrieved from forgotten password does not work for me. Is there some setting in php4 or mysql that would allow ""md5(md5(password)) == md5(password)"" to return true? Since the password sent is the hash of the clear-text password, the current line in usersettings.php compares a hash of the hashed password to the hashed password, I think. I've found the correct code elsewhere in usersettings.php.
// usersettings.php line 130 fixed
if ($existingUser["password"] == md5($_POST["password"]) || $existingUser["password"]==$_POST["password"])
This is the current version:
// usersettings.php current line 130
if ($existingUser["password"] == md5($_POST["password"]))
The first one works for me. Is there a problem with security in using that version?
-CharlotteFischer
~&Charlotte, you are correct in that the code doesn't work as is. We are working on splitting up the whole (confusing) login/usersettings form into separate actions and forms; logging in with a "temporary" password should then not only be separate, but also force the user to immediately choose a new password since sending a password by email is inherently insecure. Until we have that in place in a future release, your workaround is a good one (I came up with the same ;-)); but it's up to you to decide how acceptable it is in your application to let the user continue to login with an emailed password. --JavaWoman
===Hiding anonymous host/IP from non-administrators===
On the Wiki I run, it is not desireable for the IP/hostname of anonymous users to be displayed to just anyone. I've made a small modification to hide the IP/hostname of anonymous users to users that (a) Are not administrators, and (b) not themselves. In handlers/page/show.php, around line 80 you can find: %%(php)print("\t<div class=\"commentinfo\">\n-- ".$this->Format($comment["user"])." (".$comment["time"].")\n");%% I modified this to: %%(php)if ($this->IsAdmin() || $current_user == $comment["user"] || $this->LoadUser($comment["user"]))
print("\t<div class=\"commentinfo\">\n-- ".$this->Format($comment["user"])." (".$comment["time"].")\n");
else
print("\t<div class=\"commentinfo\">\n-- Anonymous#".str_pad(dechex(crc32($comment["user"])), 8, "0", STR_PAD_LEFT)." (".$comment["time"].")\n");
}%% And in actions/recentlycommented.php: %%(php)if (!$this->LoadUser($comment_by)) $comment_by .= " (unregistered user)";%% was changed to: %%(php)if (!$this->IsAdmin() && $this->GetUserName() != $comment_by && !$this->LoaderUser($comment_by))
$comment_by = "Anonymous#".str_pad(dechex(crc32($comment_by)), 8, "0", STR_PAD_LEFT);
}%% And in actions/recentcomments.php: %%(php)if (strlen($comment["comment"]) > 120) $comment_preview = $comment_preview.".... ";%% after this add: %%(php)if (!$this->IsAdmin() && $this->GetUserName() != $comment["user"] && !$this->LoaderUser($comment["user"]))
$comment["user"] = "Anonymous#".str_pad(dechex(crc32($comment["user"])), 8, "0", STR_PAD_LEFT);
You will probably need to also update the XML handlers and the history page handler, but right now anonymous users cannot edit pages on my Wiki. (actions/recentchanges.php, handlers/page/*xml*.php, handlers/page/history.php). --Rick
===Storing the IP-adress for registered users===
//copied from WikkaBugs - this is a suggestion, not a bug --NilsLindenberg//
Security: I was wondering whether it would be possible to store IPs for registered users as well. That way you can ban them via .htaccess if necessary. -Sam
~& Last known IP or every IP they ever connect from? I'd be willing to store one last known IP per user. - JsnX
~~& Last known IP please :) Thanks. - Sam
~& I'd suggest adding *two* distinct fields to ##wikka_users##: Last Login IP/Hostname + Last Login Time - DarTar
~~&I was also thinking of a way to ban users directly from the wiki (much in the same way as referrers are added to the blacklist of spammers). This might turn out easier to implement than a //user deleting action// (which was one of the ideas discussed [[UserAdmin here]]) - DarTar
~&I am interested in doing something very like this as well. I would like to integrate wikka into an existing phpBB site. I don't mind if my users have to log in twice - but I **//really//** don't want them to have 2 seperate usernames/ passwords. Therefore ideally I would like the wikka to use the usertable from phpBB... Has anybody else done something like this? -- KiltanneN
~~&One solution that I've used is to set up a registration page that registers the user into both the bulletin board and the wiki user tables. I've then removed the registration screens from each of the two. Users can then log into either of them using the same username and password. Of course, this only works when registering "new" users...one would have to write a script to copy existing users from the bulletin board into the wiki user tables for current users. --GmBowen
~~~& Not a bad idea - but breaks down for password changes and also name changes... I am going to try and build what I have described. I will make notes over here: UseThephpBBUserTable -- KiltanneN
~&See also WikkaWithphpBB --JavaWoman
%%(apache)RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !=/favicon.ico
~&It can be done more generically by simply preventing rewiting happening when the requested URL matches an existing file or directory: %%(apache)RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f%% --- The first line excludes any directory, the second any existing file (which would include robots.txt and //any// icon file - you do not necessarily have to use favicon.ico). --JavaWoman
~~~& IE7 does support PNG's, IE6 and IE5.5 support it with a javascript solution, look in SmiliesAction for more on IE, PNG, image actions, icons etc.
===Automatic Table of Content Generation===
A table of contents {TOC} directive is replaced by an ordered list of defined headers in the wiki page. This makes it easier to navigate pages which are very long like this one. -KarmaTester
~&Have a look at TableofcontentsAction for some ideas about creating a TOC (automatically or triggered by an action...) --JavaWoman
~& The above code places paragraph tags throughout the page, including //within// code blocks, which seems undesirable. If ##\n## were treated as markup which wakka.php needs to transform into paragraph tags, code blocks wil not be changed, I think. I'll try it and post the code changes if it works. --PaulP
~~& No, that doesn't completely work either. It leaves code blocks unchanged, but keeps text from returning to left margin after indented paragraphs. --PaulP
//(copied from WikkaDevelopment --Nils)//
//(copied from WikkaDevelopment --Nils)//
//(copied from WikkaDevelopment --NilsLindenberg)//
~& Yeap, use this directly within the wikka page you are working on
~& %%(htmlstrict) <A href="http://google.com" TARGET="_blank">Google</A> %%
~& It will show up a normal link "" <A href="http://google.com" TARGET="blank">Google</A> ""
~& In this case the **TARGET="_blank"** bit is what does the trick.
~& Assuming this is what you were originally after, it has the advantage of no code changes. NickDamoulakis
~~& I assume you meant the above code to be put in double quotes like this:
~~& %%(htmlstrict) ""<A href="http://google.com" TARGET="_blank">Google</A>"" %%
~~& Since I use Wikka inside an iframe I need to use target a lot, so I modified the forced links section in wakka.php from:
~~& %%(php)//if ($url!=($url=(preg_replace("/@@|££||\[\[/","",$url))))$result="</span>";
if (!$text) $text = $url;
//$text=preg_replace("/@@|££|\[\[/","",$text);
return $result.$wakka->Link($url, "", $text);%%
~~& To this:
~~& %%(php)//if ($url!=($url=(preg_replace("/@@|££||\[\[/","",$url))))$result="</span>";
if (!$text) $text = $url;
if ($pos=stripos($text, ' target=')) {
$target = substr($text, $pos);
$text = substr($text, 0, strlen($text)-strlen($target));
//$text=preg_replace("/@@|££|\[\[/","",$text);
return $result.$wakka->Link($url, "", $text);%%
~~& I can now do forced links like this:
~~& %%[[http://www.google.com Google target="_top"]]%%
~~& What I don't like is target within imagelinks, the way it is now you have to write like this:
~~& %%{{image url="whatever.gif" link="http://www.google.com" target="target='_top'"}}%%
~~& This would have been better looking:
~~& %%{{image url="whatever.gif" link="http://www.google.com" target="_top"}}%%
~~& /AndreasHeintze
=== Easy way of adding links ===
-- MatthewLangham
~& MatthewLangham, I propose AddLinkAction as solution for adding links on a page in a structured way. I also added (under the Beta section at the end) a ""JavaScript""-link that you need to bookmark to fast add a link in two mouse clicks... (Works with Firefox and IE under XP, still needs testing with other browsers) -- OnegWR
=== Image dimensions ===
The [[Docs:AddingImages image]] action really needs the ability to specify image height and width. :) --MovieLady
now available as URUniqueEMailModule
=== Embed a blurb from a news page into another page? ===
===Logging-out===
=== Backlinks ===
backlinks.php
if ($pages = $this->LoadPagesLinkingTo($this->getPageTag())) {
foreach ($pages as $page) {
$links[] = $this->Link($page["tag"]);
// #MW:commented print(implode("<br />\n", $links));
// #MW: Ja, här ska jag fixa stöd för kolumner via parametern col
if (!isset($col)) $col=1;
$out = "<table width='100% border='0''><tr>";
$count = 0;
while (list($key, $val) = each($links)) {
if($count == $col) { $out .= "</tr><tr>"; $count = 0; }
$out .= "<td>" . $val . "</td>";
$count++;
$out .= "</tr></table>";
print $out;
=== User names ===
===List of special actions?===
===Allow spaces in pagetitle===
===User-defined formatting rules===
A "compile category" action. Right now, if I go to CategoryDocumentation I can see a list of all of the pages in this category...but it still requires a lot of snooping to find what I want. As an administrator I'd like to provide a pdf "booklet" of all of that output for users to download. To make this now would mean going to and printing each and every page (using a software tool, TO a pdf file). Ugh. An action that let me go ""{{compile category="CategoryDocumentation"}}"" to generate a single web page of all of that documentation would be quite useful because then I could just print it to a pdf file once.....then I could provide a link to the PDF file so users could download it and print it off.
===Compatibility & Installer===
===Handling the config===
''See also [[http://wush.net/trac/wikka/ticket/603 Ticket 603]] --JavaWoman''
===Markup for code not to be shown===
===markup of diff pages===
=== Problem: Scrolling in the search - field ===
=== Problem: Five Line Breaks ===
=== DB Export ===
===Code block formatting===
===Various suggestions===
===Other method to attach files===
===Installation problem - UTF-8?===
===Add page link & other suggestions===
===Disable CamelCase===
While I understand the arguments in favor of CamelCase, I prefer not to use it. Given how incredibly simple it is to modify Wikka for non CamelCase use (remove one line in formatters/wakka.php, and replace a regex in wikka.php, wouldn't it be simple just to add an admin option to turn it on and off?
===Rename Pages===
It would be nice to be able to rename pages and automatically update all backlinks to point to the right page.
Example: I have a ""HomePage"" which has a link to ""MyIdeas"" on it. Let's say I realized that all these ideas are Wikka related, so I want to rename the page to ""MyWikkaIdeas"". Any link to ""MyIdeas"" (such as that on ""HomePage"") should now be changed to point to ""MyWikkaIdeas"".
- JonathanMitchem
~& Yeah, so I found this... RefactorWiki which supposedly does exactly that (I haven't tested it personally) - JonathanMitchem
===Star Rating System===
I think that maybe usefull a star rating system for a page or for an image or other .
~& LuxiO, what criteria would you suggest for such a ranking system? --BrianKoontz
~~& BrianKoontz, first i think that the rating system should have an extra table in the main database so that every item we want rate should have a unique identification number. Then we manipulate this extra table from an internal action... maybe? --LuxiO
~~~& That sounds like a suitable approach...but my question is, how would users be expected to "rank" a page? Are we looking for a measure of suitability, quality or aesthetics, or maybe popularity? Is it really possible to assign a relative ranking to pages with dissimilar content? --BrianKoontz
~~~~&It would depend on the use of the wikki... for example, [[http://www.RantThisSpace.com Rant This Space!]] is purely for entertainment and therefore people would be encouraged to vote based on how entertaining the page was. In a corporate setting it might denote importance, or relevance to the project. Then the home page could display a list of all pages with 5 stars, and new members would know to read them first. Icons other than stars could also be used.
I have found this simple javascript for page rating:
%%(javascript)
<div class="js-kit-rating" starColor="Golden" path="ABSOLUTE-PAGE-URL"></div><script src="http://js-kit.com/ratings.js"></script>
but i don't know how implement single file rating --LuxiO
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